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		<title>By: Healthcare Economist &#183; AHIP claims health reform will increase premiums. Will it really?</title>
		<link>http://healthcare-economist.com/2009/09/09/obamas-health-care-speech-critique/comment-page-1/#comment-4919</link>
		<dc:creator>Healthcare Economist &#183; AHIP claims health reform will increase premiums. Will it really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] proposals is that he will expand insurance coverage to many more Americans.  The major drawback, as I have pointed out in the past, is that Obama&#8217;s reform do little to cut [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Healthcare Economist &#183; Characterisitcs of High Quality Clinics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Healthcare Economist &#183; Characterisitcs of High Quality Clinics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his healthcare speech, President Obama cited Intermountain Healthcare in Utah and the Geisinger Health System in rural [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://healthcare-economist.com/2009/09/09/obamas-health-care-speech-critique/comment-page-1/#comment-4883</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to go to class, so can&#039;t read to far into the discussion. However, I think one of John St. John&#039;s points should be expressed in a different manner. Sure, each taxpayer&#039;s share of the $900 billion will be about 62% of his, her, or its 2008 income tax payment. That is a lot of money, sure, but it&#039;s not &quot;paid&quot; in one lump sum. It&#039;s paid, I assume, over the course of decade. So yes, it is 62% of of one year&#039;s worth of income tax, but it&#039;s not paid over the course of one year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to go to class, so can&#8217;t read to far into the discussion. However, I think one of John St. John&#8217;s points should be expressed in a different manner. Sure, each taxpayer&#8217;s share of the $900 billion will be about 62% of his, her, or its 2008 income tax payment. That is a lot of money, sure, but it&#8217;s not &#8220;paid&#8221; in one lump sum. It&#8217;s paid, I assume, over the course of decade. So yes, it is 62% of of one year&#8217;s worth of income tax, but it&#8217;s not paid over the course of one year.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, but one clarification, you said &quot;The poorest Americans--excluding illegal immigrants--receive health care coverage from Medicaid and thus are need not worry about health care coverage.&quot; This is not entirely accurate. In most states the poorest Americans who are childless and not disabled do not qualify for Medicaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, but one clarification, you said &#8220;The poorest Americans&#8211;excluding illegal immigrants&#8211;receive health care coverage from Medicaid and thus are need not worry about health care coverage.&#8221; This is not entirely accurate. In most states the poorest Americans who are childless and not disabled do not qualify for Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Everything you need to know about U.S. health care reform &#171; alek davis: personal blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everything you need to know about U.S. health care reform &#171; alek davis: personal blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Health Care Speech Video extracts, full video, and transcript (see a critique by Healthcare Economist). Healthcare Napkins All Slide show explaining the reason and purpose of health care insurance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John St. John</title>
		<link>http://healthcare-economist.com/2009/09/09/obamas-health-care-speech-critique/comment-page-1/#comment-4665</link>
		<dc:creator>John St. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Mr. Austin&#039;s response to your comment about the President&#039;s intent to require insurers to cover &quot;with no extra cost&quot; various preventive procedures.  Mr. Austin references &quot;increasingly prohibitive copayments&quot;.  Does he mean that copayments have increased over the years, or does he mean that the amount of an insured&#039;s copayment increases with the amount of services used? 

For decades I&#039;ve been the legal representative for several Taft-Hartley trust funds (these are collectively-bargained plans that provide benefits to unionized employees much in the same way as traditional insurance companies, but are nonprofit).  I am also among the chronically ill--over the last 10 years I&#039;ve averaged about three hospital admissions per year, and I have some kind of health care appointment at least once a week.  I&#039;ve learned a lot about health benefits and the way the health care system works. 

 It&#039;s true that copayments (the amounts an insured patient pays out-of-pocket when he or she has an office visit) have increased over time.  But the increase in those those copayments has been less than the increase in the cost of the underlying office visit which the insurer must pay.  It&#039;s been years since any of the plans I represent, or my own insurance company, have increased copayments despite rising health care costs.

Further, none of the plans I represent charge any special copayment for diagnostic services.  Nor does my own insurance plan require any such copayment.  Two weeks ago I had a CRT scan.  No charge was made to me for this.  Generally, copayments aren&#039;t charged when the diagnostic service is authorized by the patient&#039;s physician.

Further, I don&#039;t know of any health plan that increases the amount of a copayment with increasing frequency of use.  My office visit copayment ($10 for my family doctor, $20 for a specialist) is the same regardless of the number of visits I have.  In fact, some plans limit out-of-pocket expenses than an insured may have to pay in any year.  So I question the reference to &quot;increasingly prohibitive copayments&quot;

Also, a word about that $900 billion that this is going to cost us.  If as the President says the amount will not be borrowed, then as you say it will be paid through an increase in taxes.  In 2008 the total income tax paid by  individuals and corporations was $1.45 trillion.  If the additional taxes required for health care reform are apportioned among the taxpayers in the same way as the 2008 income tax lliability. then each taxpayer&#039;s share of the $900 billion will be about 62% of his, her, or its 2008 income tax payment.

And if you think the cost will be limited to $900 billion over the next decade you will almost certainly be wrong.  Historical long-range estimates of the cost of Medicare and Medicaid have been a fraction of the actual cost.  There&#039;s no reason to expect this to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Mr. Austin&#8217;s response to your comment about the President&#8217;s intent to require insurers to cover &#8220;with no extra cost&#8221; various preventive procedures.  Mr. Austin references &#8220;increasingly prohibitive copayments&#8221;.  Does he mean that copayments have increased over the years, or does he mean that the amount of an insured&#8217;s copayment increases with the amount of services used? </p>
<p>For decades I&#8217;ve been the legal representative for several Taft-Hartley trust funds (these are collectively-bargained plans that provide benefits to unionized employees much in the same way as traditional insurance companies, but are nonprofit).  I am also among the chronically ill&#8211;over the last 10 years I&#8217;ve averaged about three hospital admissions per year, and I have some kind of health care appointment at least once a week.  I&#8217;ve learned a lot about health benefits and the way the health care system works. </p>
<p> It&#8217;s true that copayments (the amounts an insured patient pays out-of-pocket when he or she has an office visit) have increased over time.  But the increase in those those copayments has been less than the increase in the cost of the underlying office visit which the insurer must pay.  It&#8217;s been years since any of the plans I represent, or my own insurance company, have increased copayments despite rising health care costs.</p>
<p>Further, none of the plans I represent charge any special copayment for diagnostic services.  Nor does my own insurance plan require any such copayment.  Two weeks ago I had a CRT scan.  No charge was made to me for this.  Generally, copayments aren&#8217;t charged when the diagnostic service is authorized by the patient&#8217;s physician.</p>
<p>Further, I don&#8217;t know of any health plan that increases the amount of a copayment with increasing frequency of use.  My office visit copayment ($10 for my family doctor, $20 for a specialist) is the same regardless of the number of visits I have.  In fact, some plans limit out-of-pocket expenses than an insured may have to pay in any year.  So I question the reference to &#8220;increasingly prohibitive copayments&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, a word about that $900 billion that this is going to cost us.  If as the President says the amount will not be borrowed, then as you say it will be paid through an increase in taxes.  In 2008 the total income tax paid by  individuals and corporations was $1.45 trillion.  If the additional taxes required for health care reform are apportioned among the taxpayers in the same way as the 2008 income tax lliability. then each taxpayer&#8217;s share of the $900 billion will be about 62% of his, her, or its 2008 income tax payment.</p>
<p>And if you think the cost will be limited to $900 billion over the next decade you will almost certainly be wrong.  Historical long-range estimates of the cost of Medicare and Medicaid have been a fraction of the actual cost.  There&#8217;s no reason to expect this to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard VanHyfte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard VanHyfte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sceptical over reform on the basic numbers.  Insuring more people for less money and (likely) fewer doctors, will have to mean worse, or faster and cheaper coverage.  We need to cut actual costs, such as in tort reform and FDA costs (see fdareview.org).  We also have to ensure that technological advancement does not stop, which it will if our new program only covers the most inexpensive methods.  New technologies cost more initially, so will go undeveloped. 

Also, I personally know too many Canadians, and a couple of Norwegians, that had their lives saved because they came to the US for treatment which would have been too late in their own countries.  Those systems may balance out due to the unhealthy dying off.  

We need to start by cutting costs and encouraging the medical professionals to enter the field.  When we have enough professionals available, perhaps competition will help lower costs.  If not, at least we will have treatments available.

Quite frankly, I feel much less safe now than I did last year.  If the proposed system would work as it is visualized, it would still not be much of an improvement, and certainly be worse for the currently insured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sceptical over reform on the basic numbers.  Insuring more people for less money and (likely) fewer doctors, will have to mean worse, or faster and cheaper coverage.  We need to cut actual costs, such as in tort reform and FDA costs (see fdareview.org).  We also have to ensure that technological advancement does not stop, which it will if our new program only covers the most inexpensive methods.  New technologies cost more initially, so will go undeveloped. </p>
<p>Also, I personally know too many Canadians, and a couple of Norwegians, that had their lives saved because they came to the US for treatment which would have been too late in their own countries.  Those systems may balance out due to the unhealthy dying off.  </p>
<p>We need to start by cutting costs and encouraging the medical professionals to enter the field.  When we have enough professionals available, perhaps competition will help lower costs.  If not, at least we will have treatments available.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I feel much less safe now than I did last year.  If the proposed system would work as it is visualized, it would still not be much of an improvement, and certainly be worse for the currently insured.</p>
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		<title>By: Healthcare Economist &#183; A Critque of the Republican Response to Obama&#8217;s Health Care Speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Healthcare Economist &#183; A Critque of the Republican Response to Obama&#8217;s Health Care Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Health Care Proposals &#124; Indentured Whaler</title>
		<link>http://healthcare-economist.com/2009/09/09/obamas-health-care-speech-critique/comment-page-1/#comment-4660</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama&#8217;s Health Care Proposals &#124; Indentured Whaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] didn&#8217;t listen to the speech, but here&#8217;s an analysis by a friend of mine who studies healthcare for a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EconomyBeat.org - user-generated content about the economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Speech &#8211; Reaction</title>
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		<dc:creator>EconomyBeat.org - user-generated content about the economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Speech &#8211; Reaction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Healthcare Economist, annotating Obama&#8217;s health care address:  We are the only advanced democracy on Earth – the only wealthy nation – that allows such hardships for millions of its people. [...]</description>
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