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Written By: Jason Shafrin - Dec• 03•10

I came across this essay from Paul Graham and it truly an excellent piece of insight about how one’s identity informs your opinions.  Are you Jewish?  You’re more likely to support Israel in any debate.  Are you a Moslem?  Then you are more likely to side with Palestinians. This is true almost regardless of the specific topic being discussed or the merits of either side.  Mr. Graham’s essay below elaborates on this idea.  I have reprinted it in its entirety.

I finally realized today why politics and religion yield such uniquely useless discussions.

As a rule, any mention of religion on an online forum degenerates into a religious argument. Why? Why does this happen with religion and not with Javascript or baking or other topics people talk about on forums?

What’s different about religion is that people don’t feel they need to have any particular expertise to have opinions about it. All they need is strongly held beliefs, and anyone can have those. No thread about Javascript will grow as fast as one about religion, because people feel they have to be over some threshold of expertise to post comments about that. But on religion everyone’s an expert.

Then it struck me: this is the problem with politics too. Politics, like religion, is a topic where there’s no threshold of expertise for expressing an opinion. All you need is strong convictions.

Do religion and politics have something in common that explains this similarity? One possible explanation is that they deal with questions that have no definite answers, so there’s no back pressure on people’s opinions. Since no one can be proven wrong, every opinion is equally valid, and sensing this, everyone lets fly with theirs.

But this isn’t true. There are certainly some political questions that have definite answers, like how much a new government policy will cost. But the more precise political questions suffer the same fate as the vaguer ones.

I think what religion and politics have in common is that they become part of people’s identity, and people can never have a fruitful argument about something that’s part of their identity. By definition they’re partisan.

Which topics engage people’s identity depends on the people, not the topic. For example, a discussion about a battle that included citizens of one or more of the countries involved would probably degenerate into a political argument. But a discussion today about a battle that took place in the Bronze Age probably wouldn’t. No one would know what side to be on. So it’s not politics that’s the source of the trouble, but identity. When people say a discussion has degenerated into a religious war, what they really mean is that it has started to be driven mostly by people’s identities.

Because the point at which this happens depends on the people rather than the topic, it’s a mistake to conclude that because a question tends to provoke religious wars, it must have no answer. For example, the question of the relative merits of programming languages often degenerates into a religious war, because so many programmers identify as X programmers or Y programmers. This sometimes leads people to conclude the question must be unanswerable—that all languages are equally good. Obviously that’s false: anything else people make can be well or badly designed; why should this be uniquely impossible for programming languages? And indeed, you can have a fruitful discussion about the relative merits of programming languages, so long as you exclude people who respond from identity.

More generally, you can have a fruitful discussion about a topic only if it doesn’t engage the identities of any of the participants. What makes politics and religion such minefields is that they engage so many people’s identities. But you could in principle have a useful conversation about them with some people. And there are other topics that might seem harmless, like the relative merits of Ford and Chevy pickup trucks, that you couldn’t safely talk about with others.

The most intriguing thing about this theory, if it’s right, is that it explains not merely which kinds of discussions to avoid, but how to have better ideas. If people can’t think clearly about anything that has become part of their identity, then all other things being equal, the best plan is to let as few things into your identity as possible.

Most people reading this will already be fairly tolerant. But there is a step beyond thinking of yourself as x but tolerating y: not even to consider yourself an x. The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you.”

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  1. Leon from Redding CA says:

    Jason, thanks for sharing this fascinating piece. I’ve never thought of “identity” but as “core beliefs” that determine our divisions.
    When Mr. Graham states: “I think what religion and politics have in common is that they become part of people’s identity, and people can never have a fruitful argument . . .” he is some what correct.

    How does an atheist view politics as compared to a believer? The very foundation of our government and nation as stated in the Declaration of Independence “that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” presents an insurmountable conflict between the two sides. For the atheist our government and nation was established on flawed (or outdated) beliefs that needs changing while the believer’s perspective is of being founded on absolute truths.

    However, the conclusion that we should not have “identities” is very flawed. I believe we can study each other’s viewpoints with consideration of their identity or “core beliefs,” reach logical conclusions, and allow the battle of ideas to prevail with the hope that the best wins. Life without an identity would be like salt without taste.

  2. Jason Shafrin says:

    Leon, thanks for your comments. Minimizing your identity is one means to become less biased and seek the truth. However, having an identify is one of the main way humans bond with one another, by discussing their common passions and/or backgrounds. In addition, classifying yourself as a truth-seeker is in itself an identity.

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